brodie helmet identification

The final push in using the Brodie was a variant which was produced in 1936 and which saw widespread service by the Norwegians during the German invasion of their country in the spring of 1940 and by the British Expeditionary Force in France several weeks later. A heat stamp of 305B on a McCord manufactured helmet. With New Vegas, I luckily was able to use the NCR Trooper Helmet, but there is no helmet like that in this game. John Brodie designed the 'tin helmet' as worn in WW1, hence its name. Royal Army Medical Corps who died 22/02/1919 NUNHEAD (ALL SAINTS) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' dailyinfo[20]=' 10259 Private Charles BUCHANAN 1st Bn. DPH They also have a similar liner and chinstrap. I too have seen dates on these lugs most often the way your pictures show them. Only a few very minor details set them apart from each other. Simultaneously, though, the administration of Woodrow Wilson ordered the production of an American-made helmet. Hi, I recently found my Step-dad's Father's WW2 Mk.1* Brodie. Hi Tom, it looks to me like it might be a Home Guard helmet but I will let Colin give his opinion first. Most American helmet do have heating lot numbers. Classic cars | Est. dailyinfo[4]=' Matrose Paul KURZKE Torpedoboot "G85" German Navy who died 04/03/1919 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' Irish Guards who died 18/03/1916 CALAIS SOUTHERN CEMETERY France ' The M1 offered exceptional protection. 2nd Bn. 4th Bn. These heavy finishes were field or depot applied. dailyinfo[23]=' 9656 Private Isaac COOPER "A" Coy. I would say the paintwork on your helmet is original. The helmet was manufactured in just one stamping procedure. I'm thinking the lettering could refer to a department he possibly. stands for General Steel Wares of Toronto, who made helmets from 1940 to 1942. Canucks? The following is an identification guide for vintage military helmets of Spain. There is also a very faded 1st division emblem painted on the helmet. dailyinfo[10]=' 14780 Member Ida Styles HUGHES (Oxford) Womens Royal Air Force who died 10/03/1919 OXFORD (ROSE HILL) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' var fontend = '' Unlike the ubiquitous Stahlhelm which had been developed by the Germans around the same time the Brodie did not have a nape piece extending further down at the back to protect the neck, however, it did offer greater all round protection from shrapnel descending down into the trenches. Twenty years of peace followed the end of the First World War before another major international conflict broke out. Thank you for that feedback! I bought it in France and I really don't know what kind of brodie is it and which army used it. Probably the most recognised piece of kit from the Second World War is the British tin helmet which was also used in a variety of forms on the Home Front. I have had a good look at your helmet again and managed to find another one to compare,This is an American, Here is a British made helmet from the same period, look at the rim joint how clean the joint is put together, now take a look at the rim joints. British Mark Mark I Brodie U.S. P17 helmet The most obvious difference may be observed by turning the helmet over. Frankston RSL Sub Branch Munition, German 75 mm. WW1 Canadian British CEF BEF Brodie Helmet & Liner. The helmet shell is indeed a M1* with an early made Vero liner. Accordingly, the American government purchased hundreds of thousands of Brodie helmets from the British as a stop-gap measure. Hello Gents, it's been a long time, but I am back with an ID request. He was in his early forties when the war broke out and he turned his attentions to developing a military helmet along the lines that the French had just produced with the Adrian helmet. Royal Welsh Fusiliers who died 11/03/1915 FAUQUISSART MILITARY CEMETERY, LAVENTIE France ' Canadian Railway Troops who died 18/12/1918 BUSIGNY COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION France GWF is free to use so please support the Forum Brodie Steel trench helmet Identification marks By Vimyridge The helmet was painted a camouflage mix of green, blue and orange, though a variety of alternative colours were also introduced for use in different theatres. And this only accounts for its use by the American military. View detail. I know not many American helmets made it overseas, and the painting of division badges on helmets seem to be inconsistent. This cloth by it very nature blended in well and covered up any shiny paint on the helmets finish. In the photo it looks like it could be surface rust? E.G.Budd. When the First World War erupted in the autumn of 1914 all of the major powers were lacking any type of military headgear which could offer effective protection in the face of modern warfare and weaponry. While the US Manufacturers developed their own M1917 helmet and got production, up to speed, very few of the M1917s made it to the Western Front before the Armistice. The helmet was basically an inverted bowl stamped out of a single piece of manganese alloy, which was made up of 13 percent manganese and was .036" thick. never received helmet covers while in France. The M1917 Brodie Helmet was manufactured by the Columbian Enameling and Stamping Company (Terre Haute, IN, USA). It may have been refurbished by the Americans during the 1930s and had new mounts added, which they did to both British and American Helmets, if you can find a makers mark you will know for sure. The insignia is for the US 77th Division. dailyinfo[26]=' Chaplain 4th Class The Rev. Seaforth Highlanders who died 20/03/1919 BEIRUT WAR CEMETERY Lebanese Republic ' var fontstart = '' The M1 came in two parts, a hard metal shell or cap on the outside, and an inner liner hat made out of softer and more malleable materials. I bought aBrodie helmet and I'm not sure from witch war or time the helmet is from. Helmets and Headgear. Available on our website now, Danish m23. Do you know if he wasa civilian at this time, and could you take a photo of the inside of the helmet for me, and what. After the war he was, as prior stated, he held a very high position and worked in surveying land and buildings for military purposes, including Goonhilly which was his most famous and he even chose that name. It's easy! It is very hard to tell from the photo. This was particularly the case when it came to trench warfare where shrapnel and debris rained down on soldiers heads from above. The shape of the helmet was also somewhat similar to the Brodie in that it was based around a circular steel cap which provided maximum protection to the top of the head, with the rim protecting the ears and upper face. McCord Radiator, Ford Motor Company were both known to have made P17s, but there wereundoubtedly more. var mydate=new Date() Category. Bluecher German Navy who died 29/01/1915 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' Remembered Today: It was replaced by the M1917AI. When the helmets are viewed side by side it is easy to see why so many people confuse one for the other. It also is interesting that the British kept the Brodie Helmet while the US went to the M1 for better protection. During the 1920s, the Army investigated several designs. Is it a WWI or WWII helmet? if it is red underneathit could have been. This helmet, designated "Brodie's Steel Helmet, War Office Pattern" began fielding in October 1915 and gave the name of its inventor to an entire line of stamped steel helmets used by a large number of countries including Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the United States (which adopted it as the M1917). NPB. In conclusion, the M1 can probably be designated as the most successful combat helmet ever made. The helmets from both countries are so similar that often times people believe that the Spanish helmet is a German helmet. The helmet was rimless and was painted a smooth dark-green color. A desirable unit marked helmet can go for around $500.00. dailyinfo[28]=' 19673 Leading Aircraftman Samuel Ambrose TICKNER Meritorious Service Medal No. Royal Horse Artillery who died 16/03/1917 VARENNES MILITARY CEMETERY France ' Developed by John L. Brodie, the Model 1915 "Brodie" helmet, also known as the "Tommy" helmet, was the first steel helmet introduced to British soldiers during WW1. A quick examination of an original example and the brush strokes can easily be seen. L31cm x D29cm x H12cm. Known M1917 Helmet Liner Manufacturers Stamp Marks. A 'no helmet' bare head case was used as a control (denoted BAR). The letter which follows the slash representsthe company who rolled the steel provide for the helmet. (hums softly, to the tune of Guantanamera:). View detail. //-->, By It was superseded by the Personnel Armor System for Ground Troops or PASGT, a combination type of armour consisting of a ballistics vest and a combat helmet. The bail holder is secured to the helmets skirt by way of a steel split rivet. if (year < 1000) year+=1900 11-30-2022 Local Time 06:08 AM The "4B" is a McCord Radiator stamp for the M17A1 (aka "Kelly") helmet. By Willow1 3 years ago. During the war, the Company took part in fire watching duties, manned a gun at the exit to Westminster Underground Station and undertook a wide variety of training schemes. Production increased rapidly in 1916 and by that summer over a million units had been produced. dailyinfo[23]=' 9656 Private Isaac COOPER "A" Coy. . 1999-11-70-31 The Brodie design featured a brim 2in (5cm) wide, which protected the head and shoulders from above. : Brodie helmets. Clear editor. Next to this code there are a series of numbers. Follow. WW1 US AEF Unit Flashed Brodie Combat Helmet & Liner - $612.65. Irish Guards who died 18/03/1916 CALAIS SOUTHERN CEMETERY France ' In WW1 Allies: Great Britain, France, USA, etc 1914 - 1918, In Polish Armed Forces - Second Republic (Siy Zbrojne II Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej) 1918-1939, blue brodie helmet(or not) identification, Advice on purchasing a British Military MKII Helmet. dailyinfo[9]=' Boy SALEH HAJI S.S. TANGISTAN (Swansea).Indian Merchant Service who died 09/03/1915 BOMBAY 1914-1918 MEMORIAL, MUMBAI India ' dgirardin 11 months ago. New user here. The Brodie was the first modern military helmet developed by Britain. what I can tell you is that, it appears to be from the WW2 period with the cropped helmet lugs, the markings I've not seen. var fontend = '' Royal Warwickshire Regiment who died 12/03/1918 ST. Is it possible to take a better picture of the helmet, are there any markings inside? I found my step-fathers fathers and grand-fathers britishbrodie helmets from ww1 and ww2. Royal Marine Light Infantry who died 17/03/1918 BELLAVISTA OLD BRITISH CEMETERY Peru ' Tom.Delahoyde Lincolnshire Regiment who died 05/03/1916 CITE BONJEAN MILITARY CEMETERY, ARMENTIERES France ' Leinster Regiment who died 27/02/1918 JERUSALEM MEMORIAL Israel and Palestine (including Gaza) ' Royal Horse Artillery who died 16/03/1917 VARENNES MILITARY CEMETERY France ' The sellers description may read, American WWI helmet or British WWI helmet. Royal Engineers who died 31/01/1919 COLOGNE SOUTHERN CEMETERY Germany ' HEAT STAMP 626A. Here's a list of WW2 American Helmet Liner Makers. dailyinfo[20]=' 10259 Private Charles BUCHANAN 1st Bn. Brodie Steel trench helmet Identification marks Remembered Today: 1081780 Sapper Bedford Stanley LONG "D" Coy. There is also a drill hole on rear of the brim. 1st Bn. if (dailyinfo[daym] != "") { document.write(fontstart+dailyinfo[daym]+fontend) } Generally soldiers were still being issued cloth caps or leather headgear of a kind which offered little or no protection from modern artillery and the shrapnel which sprayed out from it. Designed to protect from shrapnel shells bursting overhead, it could be pressed from a single sheet of hardened steel, but left the lower parts of the head less protected. As for the number/letter code, that is the code for the manufacturer and the manufacturer's lot number. However, the M1 sits further back on the head than the Brodie, thus providing greater protection to the neck. var daym=mydate.getDate() Hi J.H.E. Original Item: One-of-a-kind. Welcome to the forum SR71, there's not much to go on without it's liner. The development of a replacement model, the Mark II, and its widespread distribution from 1940 onwards meant that the evacuation from Dunkirk was one of the last military campaigns during which the original Brodie was worn extensively by British troops. Paste as plain text instead, In all around 900,ooo of these helmets were made by McCord's. Your previous content has been restored. dailyinfo[5]=' 12147 Private Harry COOK 8th Bn. The A.E.F. After many experiments, Brodie came to the conclusion that a relatively simple form of helmet would offer reasonable protection, be serviceable and cheap to produce in large numbers. The stamping on the underside of the rim reads: G.S.W. man in charge. FOR SALE! What I know so far, He was injured in France in 1940 so was 'dropped' from active service.